Can You Be Christian and Democrat?

Quick answer: Of course! But that’s the wrong question so read on. 

So I’ve heard some folks really don’t like Trump. I get it. He’s a proud and unrepentant adulterer, says he’s a Christian who’s never repented (two mutually exclusive positions), has called about 70 people names just during this primary cycle, and exhibits the emotional maturity of an eight-year-old bully in his speech and on twitter. One anti-Trump hashtag that has made the rounds is  #MakeAmerica8Again.

But then I’ve heard Christian folks say, if he’s the nominee, they’ll vote Democrat. Which brings up an important question: can you be a Christian and vote Democrat? Important: I’m not a Republican and this is not an endorsement of the Republican Party OR Donald Trump. I have no love for the establishment of that party.

Now before you get whacked out that a pastor is talking about politics, remember, the Word of God intersects with ALL areas of life.

There was another country where the pastors refused to talk about politics – Germany circa 1933-1945. Christian pastors thought that political parties shouldn’t be mentioned – too messy and “earthy,” while they were more “kingdom” minded. They praised Jesus in church while Jews were slaughtered in concentration camps.

Except for a small number of pastors. The most famous and politically radical member, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, is considered a hero today. He was hung for plotting to kill Hitler. Talk about a political move. Praise God for him! And how evil are those pastors who refused to “sully” themselves in politics.

So – I have no problem discussing politics and faith in areas where lives are actually at stake, and I hope you’ll understand why by the time you’re done reading.

So back where we started – can you be a Christian and vote Democrat?

Of course!

That’s like asking if a person can be a convicted ax murderer and a Christian. Karla Fay Tucker seemed to prove that’s possible. Can a person be a Mary Kay consultant and a Christian? I’m pretty sure Mary Kay is. There are all kinds of things a person can do – both sinful and morally neutral, and still be a Christian. Can a person talk about walls and still be a Christian? Sorry…the Pope said no and he’s as wrong as he can be, and as far from the Gospel of Jesus Christ as he can be on this (hint: God told Nehemiah to build a wall).

A person can be a Democrat and be a Christian. Nothing else I have ever said or will say should be interpreted to contradict that. But I ALSO believe that’s 100% the wrong question.

The right question is: SHOULD a Christian be a Democrat?

You tell me – how bad does a group have to become for it to be wrong to be part of it? Would it be wrong to be in the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nazi) in 1940 Germany as they are slaughtering Jews? Of course!

But what if a party’s official platform endorsed the ending of not just six million lives, but 57 million? Would that be bad enough to say it’s wrong to be in it?

Consider the Democratic Party and Abortion:

To be a “Democrat” means that you have embraced with whatever support you give the party the Holy Grail, the Great Sacrament, the One-Thing-That-Cannot-Be-Argued in the Democratic Party. And that is abortion on demand, for any reason, all the time, any place, up to the second of birth, as much as possible.

Reminder! – I’m not saying you should be a Republican. I’m not one. Their weakness has kind of made me ill over the last couple of years.

It’s actually very easy to objectively prove that the Democratic Party aids in the taking of more human life by any means than the other party – with political will, with lawmaking, with court appointments and with dollars given to the abortion industry.

Note: What does God say about abortion in the Bible?
Click here and here for two excellent and brief articles.

Consider: 

  1. The Democratic Party has one dominant sacrament. Abortion. Any time, any place, any age woman, at any point in the pregnancy. No other issue more defines the party or is more important than abortion. It has cost 57 million lives since 1974. Real lives. Real babies.
  2. Since the 1970s, The Democratic Party has ONLY appointed justices to the Supreme Court who vigorously support abortion as an inalienable right for all women at all times (the other party has tried to appoint only pro-life judges and has appointed possibly five who oppose abortion as a right– Rehnquist, Thomas, Scalia, Alito, and Roberts).
  3. The Democratic Party savagely and violently attacks, defames and seeks to destroy by any means any Supreme Court candidate who might be pro-life. Why? For the sin of being pro-life. Ie. Clarence Thomas, Sam Alito, Ted Kennedy’s famous speech defaming Robert Bork.
  4. The Democratic Party will not let ANY pro-life members of the party speak during its national conventions. Intolerant in the extreme.
  5. The Democratic Party demands that 100% of its presidential candidates be pro-abortion. You have NEVER seen a pro-life Democrat candidate for President in your lifetime. Isn’t that bizarre? Polls show only 40% of the country is pro-choice while 50% is pro-life. But not ONE pro-life candidate. Wow.
  6. Candidates that switched from pro-life to pro-choice include Jimmy Carter, Senator Dick Durbin (didn’t run but he wanted to be a big deal for a while), former Representative Richard Gephardt, Representative Dennis Kucinich, the (non)Reverend Jesse Jackson, and Al Gore. All pro-life until they sold their souls for a chance at power. Click here to read a particularly eloquent defense of life by Jesse Jackson, before he abandoned these very views to be accepted by the Democratic Party as a Presidential candidate. It’s a little over half way down the page.
  7. The Democratic Party fights any and all limitations designed to save the life of babies who survive an abortion.
  8. The Party’s currently leader, the President, is the most virulently anti-life candidate in our history. He voted against the “born alive” act that would protect the life of a baby who survives an abortion – http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/290764/clarifying-obamas-vote-born-alive-peter-kirsanow. He was actually to the left of NARAL on this. That’s hard to pull off.

Number Nine: This last number needs to be separate because it’s a particularly vicious and racist evil. The Democratic Party and current candidates actively (and I’d say rabidly) support Planned Parenthood-a racist organization founded by eugenicist, Margaret Sanger. She hated black people and wanted to get rid of them.

FullSizeRenderEver wonder why 79% of Planned Parenthood clinics are in minority neighborhoods (and just think of that – 79% of all their abortion clinics!)? Because, in founding Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger said, “Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated.” So from the beginning, the clinics were put in minority neighborhoods.  If you’re going to exterminate a people, you’ve got to be close to where they live.

The results are astounding. While black Americans make up only 12.6% of the population, since 1973 they’ve made up 37% of all abortions. Abortion has reduced the black population by 30%. More than any other ethnic group (although Hispanic abortions are also wildly disproportional to their overall representation in the country (you can read more here)).

So from those nine reasons, it’s very clear that objectively, the Democratic Party is responsible for, and proudly claims responsibility for, 57 million lives taken in abortion.  The Democratic Party collectively yawned when videos were released showing Planned Parenthood folks talking about selling baby parts. More humans lives have been lost through abortion than in any Republican military action or by capital punishment or by gun violence or starvation or racism (all the reasons a person might give for voting Democrat).

On lives taken – the Democratic Party win hands down.

And I get it. If Donald is the Republican candidate, who knows what he will do? But he has said he’s pro-life (I know! He doesn’t even say that in a really good way!). But he’s also surrounded himself with folks who are pro-life. But with the information above, you KNOW what Democratic Party will do. They will continue to put judges in place that will expand abortion rights even further than they are now, and guarantee that abortion will continue unrestricted for another 20 to 40 years. They will continue to fund Planned Parenthood. And they will continue to push and promote their Holy Grail, their Great Sacrament, their great Non-Negotiable – unfettered abortion up to the moment of conception.

So you decide – what reason could a Christian give for being a part of a group that actively fights for the ability to kill the most vulnerable in our society?

So SHOULD a Christian be a Democrat? It’s life and death, and the answer is no.

 

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50 thoughts on “Can You Be Christian and Democrat?

  1. This has to be the dumbest blog I’ve ever read. The blame abortion on Democrats is just ridiculous. How about let’s blame abortion on the right people, like the women that lay on their backs and spread their legs, then decide to go have an abortion they are the ones that should be held accountable. Democrats are the ones looking out for the people that are in need the most. If it was up to the Republicans the middle and lower class people should be slaves and work for the rich and get paid nothing..
    I feel sad for your congregation, it’s pastors like you that are killing the church

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  2. Thanks for the comment Brian! I really don’t have much to say since I outlined incontrovertible facts of the Democrat’s years of money, policy and programs pushing abortion. None of which you disputed. I’m not sure what’s “dumb” about that. You can have your own feelings, but facts are facts, and abortion is a thriving business today because of the Democrat Party – no other.
    Again – thanks for the comment.

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  3. yeah I have often wondered that. I used to be a democrat and thanks to Jerry Brown and Jimmy Carter I am now a Republican. Although sometimes I hear criticism of the Republicans that may actually be true, most of what I hear is misquotes and wildly twisted versions of what the republican actually said. Yeah, sometimes I think Republicans might even be awful, except they seem so much better than all the others. Some of my friends say, but abortion isn’t the only issue. I say, well how can you sweep killing over a million future taxpayers each year under the rug. Or they say but they would likely just be welfare babies! When did the USA decide to convict and execute people before any crime is committed??? So, yeah, the Republicans look pretty bad, until you look at all the others! It’s hard to pretend democrats are compassionate for the poor when they support KILLING them. It wasn’t Republicans who fought a war to preserve slavery. It wasn’t a Republican who REsegregated federal jobs and established the income tax ( thanks Mr. Wilson! ). It wasn’t a Republican president who refused to sign an anti-lynching bill ( thanks, Mr. Roosevelt! ). It always puzzles me that democrats want you to agree with them that abortion is only a minor issue, and you should just shut up and think and vote as they say. If you work for a living, you should just shut up and hand them over your money and let them do all your thinking for you, because after all, they are smarter than you, and doggone it, they just know better than you. It’s not Republicans who are mad at you for not voting for them exclusively, so they’re importing illegal voters who will vote for uncle Sugar as told. That way, they don’t really have to listen or respond to American voters anymore. If you listened to them and harshly limited the size of your family, you are worth even less to them today, because you DON’T have six or ten kids you can brow-beat in to voting for them. Feel smart for taking their advice now? Now that they are spending away your social security money to feed, doctor and educate illegal aliens, who will brow-beat their children into taking care of them while your social security crashes into the ground? How will it survive on the taxes of people who work off the books and don’t pay most of the taxes they are supposed too and send some of their income out of the country? Those of us who spent decades listening to the advice of democrats have been good old fashioned played. They think we are all just SUCKERS! Guess what they think of the illegals they say they have compassion for? You won’t believe some of the things they say when the cameras aren’t around. I’ve heard them say things that would shock the little guys they say they are looking out for. Plenty of dems would slit grandma’s throat, after the check clears and the reporters are gone! So while I sometimes have to hold my nose when voting for a Republican, I just can’t bring myself to vote for a democrat!

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  4. A Christian with a truly regenerated heart and the indwelling Holy Spirit can not remain a Democrat as he grows in Christ. The Democrat Party has become the tool of Satan as it is now fully supportive of the Marxist (specifically cultural Marxist) doctrines. The condoning and funding of murder is only one of innumerable abominations. Forcing the LGBT agenda onto society as a right, coveting other peoples possessions and stealing those via legal plunder, hating God’s nature and character, loving false idols of money, civil government power and Gaia, and policies intent to destroy the traditional family by dishonoring father and mother are all part and parcel to the Democrat system,

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  5. “A Christian with a truly regenerated heart and the indwelling Holy Spirit can not remain a Democrat as he grows in Christ.” I honestly cannot believe that such an absurd statement was posted. God is neither Democratic nor Republican. Quite honestly, God doesn’t care how you or I vote (free will). The fact that such a blog was written and many so-called Christian Conservatives believe this nonsense, IMHO, exposes how much the church has turned voting/party affiliations into legalism. I am a Christian Democrat, and I have no plans on switching sides. I don’t solely vote theology/values, as socio-economic issues affect and are important to me as well. I thank God that HE is my Lord and Savior, and that I know HIS WORD enough to know that what you posted is – with all due respect – garbage. We (Christians) need to stop spiritualizing everything. There is not one scripture in the Bible that discusses or supports one political party/system over another! (One of the disciples was a Zealot for goodness sake!!) Yet, we have a whole crop of Christians who believe they’re doing God (and Christianity) a favor voting “R.” This same group falsely believes that somehow they’re more Christian than I simply because they’re Republican. (Isn’t that a form of pride?) I personally find some Christian Conservatives to be hypocrites, liars, racists, bigots, and in many cases, ignorant. I’ve read so much vile coming from Christian Conservatives on various CHRISTIAN websites it’s downright disturbing. (No wonder folks don’t want our Jesus!!) As for abortion, I don’t know how Christian Conservatives completely ignore the FACT that a majority Conservative SCOTUS issued the ruling in Roe v Wade. So why don’t Republicans own the fact their party helped make abortion legal? Also, stop politicizing homosexuality. It’s a sin. Period. End of Story. What’s needs to be talked about is how the church is failing to address same sex attraction (how to overcome or not yield to it) and help deliver those in bondage to this sin. Maybe sin wouldn’t be so blatant and rampant in our society if the CHURCH (body of believers) did our job. I long for the day when Christians, such as yourself, realize that God didn’t call us to be the moral police. Instead, He called us to be a light – to proclaim the gospel, to love God, to love people and to make disciples. I truly understand now why Jesus said “the harvest is plentiful but the laborers are few” (Matt 9:37). Christian’s such as yourself would rather blather about and focus on political divides rather than saving souls.

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    1. Sorry, sentence should read: “What needs to be talked about is how the church is failing to address same sex attraction (how to overcome or not yield to it) and help deliver those in bondage to this sin.”

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      1. The problem with a “Christian” Democrat is he/she lacks a Biblical worldview. God speaks to every aspect of life and condemns the major platforms and actions of the Democrat (Satan’s) party as sin per proper interpretation of His word. To make disciples goes well beyond love God and neighbor. If that is the only message coming a pastor or denomination then the true Jesus Christ is not being preached. A maturing Christian learns the true nature and character of God and runs from evil rather than promote it. God is righteous and just and condemns sin. The Democrats definitely promote evil and blast apart the 10 commandments. This is not a Democrat V Republican issue as Repubs have their ungodly issues as well. But the Dem party definitely promotes doctrines that would please Satan and earn the wrath of God. God is very concerned, per his word, what a civil government does.

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  6. “So you decide – what reason could a Christian give for being a part of a group that actively fights for the ability to kill the most vulnerable in our society?”
    The GOP isn’t pro-life. It’s pro-birth. Once the “unwanted” (that’s a harsh term,and not my words, but or this example, it’s fitting) child is born, they no longer matter. The GOP is against sex-education, birth control, and abortion. BUT THEN- they are also against welfare, healthcare, WIC, food stamps, a livable wage, college tuition assistance, veterans benefits, mental health programs, and social security. While making sure that babies are “born” is a noble gesture, turning your backs on them from that moment on is not. Turning a blind eye to the poor couldn’t be farther from the teaching of Christ, yet,somehow, the GOP has hi-jacked Christianity too? It’s disgusting. THAT is the “reason I, (a Christian) DO give for being a part of a group that actively fights for the ability to kill the most vulnerable in our society?” Abortion is one issue. It’s not THE issue, unless you’re a republican. While your words, as dramatic as they are, seem barbaric, they aren’t exactly accurate, and I find a party that fights against any form of help for the less fortunate far more disturbing. And that, the GOP actively does. Everyday. In all policies.

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    1. You’ve created a strawman…a phony argument to support unconstitutional socialism, a very ungodly ideology. The family and church are responsible for all you listed, not a socialist civil government that has to be founded on the collective and strong armed coercion to legally plunder for wealth redistribution. The choice is actually between Marx and Jesus Christ.

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      1. That would be a valid argument if money wasn’t the actual god of this country. In theory, your words sound perfectly logical. In reality, however, the spirit of the GOP is anything but Christ like. I’m not defending abortion, but that issue alone, and the fact that when given the chance, Republicans have done very little to change abortion laws, isn’t enough to give them a monopoly on God. God’s truth is universal. Not just for Americans. What seems fair to us isn’t necessarily whats just in God’s eyes. What’s mine is mine is hardly Biblical.

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      2. This is another strawman. The argument is can you be a Democrat and Christian….nothing about Republican. It’s not about theory…it’s about whether it is scriptural or not. Both parties have their faults….it’s that the Democrats are 100% off from scripture and the constitution. The Repubs have some good scriptural based planks but fail to act as they speak. There are RINOs and Neo Cons who conflict with the conservative Repubs and support socialism. Unfortunately, the Dems act as they speak which is totally contrary to scripture and the constitution. So, can one be a Democrat and also be scripturally sound? If so, what scripture do the Democrats conform to?

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  7. Thanks for commenting!

    You’re absolutely wrong on the whole “caring about life afterwards” bit. Statistical studies show consistently that Republicans and especially religious conservatives are personally far more generous than Democrats. States that vote Republican in Presidential campaigns have a higher percentage of charitable giving than states that vote Democrat. Democrats are just generous with other people’s money. You don’t get Christian credit for spending other people’s money.

    And actually, abortion is “the” issue. It’s the 50 million deaths issue.That’s more that Mao and as many as Stalin. The Democratic Party applauded abortion just the other night at its convention. It is the very clearly the death party. The murder of children in the womb party.

    When is OK to kill a baby in the womb? The Democratic Party’s answer is, “Anytime for any reason.”

    How you feel about abortion today, is exactly how you would’ve felt about slavery pre-civil war.

    There were people who had all kinds of reasons for turning a blind eye atrocity of slavery. It was just “one” issue.

    Wrong. Slavery was the issue. Treating a whole segment of the population as subhuman. And was murderous, demonic, and evil. And it had to be eradicated. In spite of the Democratic Party’s support of slavery (Lincoln was a Republican).

    Slavery was THE issue. Abortion is THE issue. And God will judge this country for the evil that is abortion.

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    1. some really pathetic arguments. Defining Dems and Republicans of the 1860’s as the same as the 21st century shows how weak you arguments are. Abortion is an issue. So, as a Christian don’t have them!!! Give to charities that help unwed mothers. Adopt. Most GOP Christians I know, don’t do that. They will however donate to right wing, anti abortion politicians and then pat themselves on the back for being so morally superior. As a liberal Christian, I give to my church and various charities. Both in time and money. To generalize about “states that vote” one way or another like you have, shows how weak your argument is. Abortion is not the issue. Your personal relationship with Christ is. I know and work so many Conservative Christians who are fervently anti-abortion and anti-gay, but don’t follow Christ’s teachings. Unfortunately, I see how these morally superior pseudo-Christians act in their personal, private and professional lives and can see they don’t have the love of Christ in their heart. Just a basic and complete ungratefulness, and a thirst for more, more, more masked in piously fake Christianity, which I see at the heart of so many Conservative Christians.
      I believe we will all meet God and have to give an account of our life and our actions. I don’t want have try justify a Trump vote and base it on my faith. I am blessed to live In the most blessed, more free place and time in mankind’s history……. I don’t want to have to justify voting for a non-Christian, bigoted, racist, mentally ill con-man because of my “faith”. Anyone who reads scripture should see that.

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  8. David states “Since the 1970s, The Democratic Party has ONLY appointed justices to the Supreme Court who vigorously support abortion as an inalienable right for all women at all times” Of course, he ignorantly neglects to mention that Roe v Wade was upheld by the court in 1973 by a 7-2 margin. That court was made up of 6 GOP appointed justices and 3 Dem. appointed justices. 5 of the 6 GOP appointed justices voted to uphold Roe. So, Republican appointed justices could have passed it all by themselves. A convenient little truth David probably neglects to mention. Abortion in the U.S. has been legal due to a GOP court for over 40 years. It became the law of the land because of those special, highly moral GOP judges. The GOP has used abortion for decades as a political tool with no desire to change it. If you can’t see that you’re not a very discerning Christian. To use the Supreme Court as an argument for a Christian to support the GOP is utterly stupid.
    In the 4 gospels, Jesus talks repeatedly and shows his most emotion, when talking about money, greed and especially religious hypocrisy. Dozens and dozens of times. As a Christian, I believe abortion and homosexuality are sin. So, I don’t do them. I’ve raised a family with values that understand scripture and who understands they are sin and wrong. We believe the Bible in the inspired word of God. I think anyone who reads and believes what Jesus says in the gospels cannot possibly see that is morally acceptable to be a 21st century American Republican and a follower of Jesus. He would call you Pharisees who “don’t know” him. Republicans have abortions, Republicans are gay. There is no moral high ground there. Only hypocrisy. I think the vast majority of holier than thou Conservatives are going to meet their Maker one day and be told “You never knew me!”

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    1. A discerning Christian could never support the Democrat Party as it is 100% based on the anti-Christian, pagan religion of Marxism. The 2016 Democrat Platform summarizes this very well. A discerning Christian can selectively vote for some Republicans who hold to a Christian Worldview. Just as the American church is loaded with notional Christians and false teachers at the pulpits, particularly within the mainline denominations and any others belonging to the NCC and WCC, the Republican Party consists of RINOs, non-Christians, notional Christians and true Christians. So the real discussion should be focused on the true Christian and his behavior within the political arena and other parts of our culture. It won’t be either political party that can salvage this self-destructing nation, it will only be through Jesus Christ and the work of the Holy Spirit working in We the People if it is within His will. Quite frankly, I have come to believe He has abandoned this nation due to abortions, no-fault divorces, legalizing the LGBT agenda, kicking God out of the public square, indoctrinating and committing most children in govt controlled K-12 institutions to hell, and false teachings in most churches. Just consider the choice for President. We’ll either get a truly evil Jezebel or a pragmatist. There is almost no Christian influence guiding this process and I pin most of the blame on those hirelings behind the pulpits.

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  9. Now you’re just being silly. I never said I was a fan of any of folks you mentioned so I have no obligation to defend them. You don’t even know me. I have supported unwed mothers and the work of our local pregnancy help center. Conservative Christians have opened so many pregnancy help centers that they now outnumber abortion mills.

    I’m not worried about everyone else’s sins. I was very clear – I’m worried about the “least of these,” babies killed in the womb. Stay on task.

    Your ad hominem attacks against others don’t absolve the Democrat party of its full and complete embrace of the modern day holocaust called abortion. “They did it too” didn’t work for slavery, Hitler’s Germany, or abortion.

    But thanks for commenting! Very revealing.

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  10. Wow, for ignorant. “100% based on the anti-Christian, pagan religion of Marxism”. Blind ignorance, keep patting yourself for being so highly moral. Jesus said to do that, right? I could counter that the GOP is 100% based on greed, ungratefulness, hypocrisy, bigotry and hate. For so many Christians, “Conservatism” has become their religion. That is the “real” and by far the most dangerous problem in America. Read the gospels, particularly Jesus’ words on money, taxes, the poor, religious hypocrisy. God has “abandoned this nation”? I see us as the most blessed, most free, most giving country on the face of the earth. The GOP has shown the world where their values lie by nominating and electing Trump. Financially they feel they will do better under a bigoted, thrice married, bully, non-Christian con man. A man who says he’s a Christian, but has “never had to ask for forgiveness” in his life, including to God. Wow.
    We’re told to judge other believers in this life, but leave the non-believers to God. But, all the GOP and those Christian Conservatives want to do is judge others sins, piously and hypocritically. That way you don’t have to look in the mirror, right? Jesus commanded you to worry and grandstand over other people’s abortions, divorces, gays, right? I must have missed that part. Being a conservative GOP supporting Christian will not be the way you want to meet your Creator face to face. Don’t believe me, believe scripture and take the plank out of your eye.

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    1. You could counter but you’d be 100% wrong. There is nothing to counter that is truthful.
      Christmas came early for 2016, yes. Karl Marx is put back into his grave for at least 4 years!

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  11. I wrote, “Important: I’m not a Republican and this is not an endorsement of the Republican Party OR Donald Trump. I have no love for the establishment of that party.” Did you read that? I’m utterly confused as to why you’re arguing against the Republican party and Trump. You must be thinking about another post.

    At the same time, you offer no arguments against the facts I laid out: a. the Democrat party promotes abortions at every stage, is completely intolerant dissenting views on abortion, and promotes abortion in the minority communities, to the point that 30% of all black people in America are killed in the womb.

    When is OK to kill a baby in the womb? The Democratic Party’s answer is, “Anytime for any reason.”

    You said, “I believe abortion and homosexuality are sin. So, I don’t do them.” But you support the party that does. By that reasoning:
    a. During the holocaust you would’ve said, “I think killing Jews is a sin, so I don’t do them.” But support the party that kills the Jews.
    b. During slavery you would’ve said, “I think slavery is a sin, so I don’t own any.” And supported the Democrats.

    How you feel about abortion today, is exactly how you would’ve felt about slavery pre-civil war. And none of your anti-Trump screed changes that.

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  12. Where has the Democratic party said “anytime for any reason”? You aren’t addressing the massive hypocrisy point of most GOP’ers. Abortion, murder, homosexuality, envy, lust, greed have all been around forever. Making a law won’t change abortion. Unfortunately, they will continue. I just think you should put your faith where you mouth is. Have you adopted? Have you financially supported unwed mothers? No? But, I bet you have donated to GOP candidates who have told you they were anti-abortion. Look at those things from God’s point of view, if you dare.

    I personally know GOP families that have paid for their daughter’s abortion. George W. paid for 2 in his single days. Bob Dole paid for one between his marriages. Public record, if you want look. Abortion is also permitted since 1973 thanks to 5 judges appointed by GOP presidents. You didn’t address that. If you can read Jesus’ word in the Gospel and still believe the things you, I guess there is not much else to say. Just keep worrying about everybody else’s sins, never look in the mirror, keep patting yourself in the back for being so morally superior, and get ready to be told “You never knew me”

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    1. There are no exclusions to the Democrats position on abortion and they fully expect all taxpayers to pay for other peoples abortions. The Republican position is for the civil government, funded by taxpayers, to not pay for any abortions nor force it through health insurance. Creating strawman arguments sullies your ability to hold a reasonable conversation.
      Obviously, the Christian influence of Jesus Christ teachings is weak with some Republicans but strong within the 2016 party platform Whereas, the Christian influence is totally non existent in the 2016 Democrat Platform and among the vast majority, if not all, Democrats.
      You may want to meditate on your unfounded accusations and judgement of Christians. You should better understand Christ’s teachings about the roles and responsibilities of individuals, marriages, families, church and state. Your position is strongly based on Marxism (statism, collectivism, envy, greed, stealing, love of the things of the world and legalized sinful behaviors) and ignorance of God’s design for social order.

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    2. For your benefit here is a quick summary between the two parties:
      Republicans:
      Restore constitutional republicanism
      Remove the shackles and protect our Private Property/Free Enterprise system
      Promote Individualism with its inherent freedoms and liberties
      Promote equality of opportunity and personal responsibility
      Restore Judeo/Christian morality

      Democrats:
      Continue the unconstitutional transformation into a Technocratic oligarchy
      Continue the Socialist/Fascist transformation of our economy into Marxism
      Use social engineering to drive us into a constrained Collective
      Promote, via legal coercion, equality of outcome and personal irresponsibility
      Continue our moral decline away from God

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  13. You arrogant bigot. I should be able to pick any party to identify with without fear of God loving me any less. This is ridiculous. A christian SHOULD be able to pick whatever party they identify with and not be condemned. And as for your ridiculous rant on abortion, you have no uterus thus you have no valid opinion, Kindly take a seat.

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    1. So it is OK for a Christian to choose to deny Jesus Christ? I know the Bible says otherwise, but perhaps you have a different version?

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    2. As for abortion. God has every right to condemn abortion as it is murdering another human being that is formed in His image. The mother is a murderer who has aborted her own child. God has condemned it and so should our civil government declare this heinous act murder if it abides by God’s good laws. But when evil rules we get evil laws. Granted, what a woman chooses to do with her own body, not her child’s, is her decision.

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    3. Thanks so much for commenting! Your own words speak a better testimony of your lack of understanding of Jesus and His value of life and His stance against evil than I ever could.

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  14. I notice you didn’t address how the Abortion has been the law of the land in the U.S. based on actions of Republican appointed judges since 1973. How about all the times since where there has been a GOP president, GOP congress and a majority of GOP appointed justices on the SCOTUS????
    Abortion – Murder is here and remains here because of the GOP. If you are so ignorant to not understand that you are doomed. Hypocrisy, thy name is Republican.

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    1. You seem to only use logical fallacies in your attempts at argument. You created another strawman. The topic is whether or not a Christian can be a Democrat. Can a true, Bible believing, born-again, mature Christian be a Democrat and vote for Democrats? If you respond ‘yes’ then can you cite scripture that supports your answer WRT the Democrats 2016 Plank? Very straight forward. I am curious how a Bible believing Christian can also hold fast to the anti-Christian Marxist worldview. Once we get through this main topic then we can ask the question whether or not a Christian can be a Republican WRT the teachings of Jesus Christ.

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  15. Show me where Christ said any of that. He said plenty about government and religious hypocrisy, but he didn’t say the measure of your heart as a person of faith was based on a worldly political platform. Your individual heart and faith in Christ and your resultant works are what matters. I lean Democrat in large part because of the utter lack of integrity, honesty and Christ like attitude I see in so many Republicans. The very basis of the GOP over the last 30 years can be summed up in one word. UNGRATEFULNESS. And no lie is too big, if it can help rich people get richer. I believe as a middle class American I’ve been more blessed than 99% of all humans that have ever lived and I’m thankful for that.
    As far as the Dem. plank, I like most people don’t know or care what a party’s plank is. Actual governing rarely bears much resemblance to the planks, on both side. If the Dems have abortion in their plank, its due to those GOP judges in 1973 and the GOP politicians since. It’s currently the law of the land thanks to Republicans. If anything you should be asking the question, can you be a Christian and a Republican?
    The GOP has used abortion, the flag, homosexuality, minorities, etc. as a means to an end. Propaganda tools to help achieve more for the rich. Plain and simple. Just tools to enable making the wealthy better off. Before any personal political leaning is my faith. I’m a saved sinner who knows homosexuality is wrong and sin and so I’ve never thought about doing that. I know abortion is wrong so I’ve never been part of that and actually worked to help people in situations considering one, rather than piously sitting behind a keyboard and tell everyone how holy I am because I’m against abortion.
    You seem content with all of that, as did the Pharisees. How do you think that turned out for them? You hopefully have time to get your heart straight and become a Christian. I’ll pray for you. Yes, as a Christian liberal I’ll pray for you in your faith of the disease of conservatism. I hope someday you can come to faith in Christ instead of the lack of discernment that your appear to have.

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    1. You said: “Your individual heart and faith in Christ and your resultant works are what matters.”
      This belief of yours falls way short of what Jesus Christ teaches. Unfortunately, you have a very stunted or undeveloped Christian worldview syncretized with a much heavier doss of the incompatible Marxist worldview. This would suggest you don’t believe in absolute truth as Christianity is 100% opposed to the religion of Marxism yet you claim both.

      You are a Democrat because you don’t have a well developed Christian worldview and are a materialist at heart along with the love of the world.

      Once we get through with this aspect (why a Christian can’t be a Democrat) then we can discuss how a Christian can (with reservations) be a Republican based on God’s design for social order through His ordained institutions and not be one of those mean and nasty Pharisees.

      Three aspects of a maturing Christian worldview are understanding the Laws of Logic, knowing God’s design for social order and understanding the evil behind the competing worldviews. The two logical fallacies you continue to make are red herring and strawman arguments.

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  16. You make a number of good points about the Democratic party, namely that they appoint only pro-choice judges and that they coerce politicians within the party to move to the left on the issue over their political careers. However, here are a few things it seems like you missed that I think are important to consider. Please let me know what you think of them and if you have anything to add.

    -To my knowledge, the most effective means of reducing abortions we know of is by providing free access to birth control, which cut abortion rates by an estimated 70% in one study (1). If you gave every women who wanted it free birth control of her choice, the number of abortions would decrease dramatically, from the 57 million you mention to as low as 17 million. Democrats (and Planned Parenthood, which you have condemned in your article) are much more likely to connect people with birth control. Donald Trump and the Republican Congress is now going to repeal the ACA which ensures that birth control is covered by insurers. This will probably result in fewer women having birth control, more unplanned pregnancy, and more abortions.

    -We do not know if or by how much making abortions illegal reduces abortions. In Texas, where legal abortions have been made extremely difficult to obtain due strategic regulations, research shows that an alarming number of women take matters into their own hands. Similarly, cross-country analysis doesn’t show clear differences in abortion rates between countries with different abortion laws. Making abortion illegal probably reduces abortions somewhat, but we do not know by how much.

    By this logic, it is entirely plausible that the Democratic party causes in fewer abortions than the Republican party. At the very least, it is unclear to me that the Democratic party causes more abortions than the Republican party. In addition to this, there are a huge host of issues that I care about because of my faith (caring for the poor, children, homeless, immigrants and individuals in other countries) that I feel that Democrats are more in line with.

    Please let me know if you have evidence to the contrary! Full disclosure: I identify as independent but lean to the left. I voted for Hillary, for reasons above and because Donald Trump.

    1. https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/access-to-free-birth-control-reduces-abortion-rates/

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    1. It all depends if you want to lean to the religion and enslavement of Karl Marx or freedoms of Jesus Christ. The doctrines, policies and practices of the Democrat Party match those of Marx. The issue regarding abortion is that it is murder and the civil government has legalized it. Your favored position is to just reduce the number of murders and enhance unbiblical and unconstitutional socialism. Your analysis falls short in that it didn’t include the much smaller number of illegal abortions before the Supreme Court unconstitutionally legalized it. What Dems seem to always ignore is the constitutionality of all their socialist (Marxist/anti-Christ) solutions. Welfare by the State is legal plunder and violates God’s teachings of His social order as found in scripture.
      Full disclosure: I am a Christian and vote accordingly.

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      1. Hi Richard,
        Thanks for your reply- would you mind answering a few more questions for me as to why you hold the views you do? I’d greatly appreciate it.

        First, I can’t comment on the constitutionality of either party- I’m not an expert, and I don’t focus on it much. I consider myself a Christian before an American, so (ignoring political feasibility) I’d support policies on the basis of my faith even if they weren’t constitutional. If I thought it were biblical and feasible (I don’t) I’d support socialism.

        I’m curious as to your opinion specifically on government funded birth control. If you had the power, would you choose not to have government funded birth control, even though this would prevent millions of abortions? If so, why do you have this view? It seems strange to me, but you may understand things that I do not.

        You’re right to critique me that I don’t include information on numbers of illegal abortions before the Supreme Court legalized abortion. I can’t find this info, but if you can I’d love to see it to help me understand the situation better. I have no idea whether Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton would have resulted in fewer abortions, I see competing reasons for both. Do you have any additional evidence that Donald Trump would have resulted in fewer abortions?

        You have some interesting viewpoints on what a government is allowed to provide it’s citizens.
        “Welfare by the State is legal plunder and violates God’s teachings of His social order as found in scripture.”
        Do you mean that you believe it is in violation of God’s teachings for a government to provide healthcare to citizens that can’t afford it? You probably know more about the bible than I do, so I would love it if you could point me to some scripture I can read on that. I didn’t know God taught against social services provided by the government, although I know Christ taught us that we should serve the poor in general.

        Thank you in advance for continuing this conversation, I hope you can inform my views on this subject.

        Corey

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      2. Dear Corey,
        The role of civil government is found in Romans 12:19-13-7 (basically control evil and promote good) and warnings given in 1 Sam 8. God has ordained sovereign social spheres with very specific roles and responsibilities. The three primary spheres are marriage and family, church and civil government.
        Civil government was designed to administer God’s laws (Laws of nature and Nature’s God) Vs positive law. Legalizing abortion is positive law, not God’s law, and promotes the evil of murder rather than control it.
        So in order for civil government to work per God’s design there should be promotion for abstinence until marriage, promotion of financial and child rearing by both parents and immediate families (no government welfare for single moms) and shutting down illegal abortion mills (both promoting good and controlling evil).
        You’ll have to look up the history of legalizing abortions yourself as I don’t have references. I recall that numbers were far ranging anywhere from 6,000 per year on up depending on whether the estimate came from a pro-choice or pro-life organization and who they were trying to sell.
        I do mean it is against God’s teachings for civil government to provide welfare (healthcare, socialist security, food stamps, public education, unemployment, etc). These welfare actions are specifically against the Constitution as well. God designed welfare to come primarily from the family then from the church. This worked well until the 1930s when FDR promoted socialism and began buying votes with these programs and violating God’s design as well as violating the Declaration of Independence recognition for unalienable rights of individuals by infringing on life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness.
        An excellent book is God Vs Socialism by Joel McDurmon (along with his linked article below) and these two bible studies may help you better understand what God has to say about civil government.
        http://americanvision.org/6459/god-versus-socialism/
        https://capmin.org/are-you-a-tritutionalist-or-a-pentetutionalist/
        https://capmin.org/government-and-economics-capitalism-vs-communism/
        God Bless
        Richard

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      3. Dear Corey,
        I enjoy these discussions as I am curious what others think about life and worldviews. Now I have some questions for you, if you don’t mind.
        You say you have little knowledge of our Constitution. Why is that?
        Have you been taught or thought about We the People actually being the sovereigns of this nation, not the politicians or bureaucrats? They work for us by protecting and and defending the Constitution.
        Do you know what the Declaration of Independence does Vs the Constitution?
        If you were asked who is God what would your response be?
        Is the Bible the word of God or a book written by 39 fallible men?
        Have you heard of Christian Worldview?

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  17. Thanks for your reply Richard. I will look into the things you mention on the role of government according to the Bible.

    In the meantime, here are the answers to your questions:
    “You say you have little knowledge of our Constitution. Why is that?”
    I haven’t attempted to learn anything about the Constitution aside what I was taught in school. I don’t think the constitution is relevant to my faith. It is in no way endorsed by God, and is entirely fallible.

    “Have you been taught or thought about We the People actually being the sovereigns of this nation, not the politicians or bureaucrats?”
    I’m not entirely sure what you mean by this, but my best attempt at answering is: I don’t think that Democrats have prevented citizens from participating in democracy more than Republicans. For instance, Republicans have supported Citizens United which I believe gives undo power to the wealthiest individuals over the political process. In addition, Republican state legislatures have instituted many voting restrictions that reduce the ability of poor and minorities to participate in democracy. (I don’t deny that Democrats also have funding from special interests – ex: Unions, or that they might try similar disenfranchisement given the opportunity).

    “Do you know what the Declaration of Independence does Vs the Constitution?”
    The Declaration was written earlier to declare independence from England, Constitution was written many years later to replace articles of confederation as outlining our structure of governance, giving more power to the federal government. I’m not sure why that is relevant to our conversation on the intersection of public policy and our faith, though. God didn’t inspire either document. I agree that the Constitution provided a good structure for our democracy, but see no reason to think God prefer’s it to other systems.

    “If you were asked who is God what would your response be?”
    The all loving, all powerful, just creator of the universe.

    “Is the Bible the word of God or a book written by 39 fallible men?”
    The bible is the word of God. Did I say something to suggest otherwise? If I did I didn’t mean to.

    “Have you heard of Christian Worldview?”
    A view of world issues from a Christian perspective? Based on our conversation, many different ideas seem to fit under this category.

    Maybe it would be helpful for me to explain my logic in making political choices. Christ has commanded me to love others and has shown through his life on earth that I should care about the poor, marginalized, and disenfranchised in society. I should use the resources I have to try and help them. This includes with my money, time, and my vote.

    Therefore, when deciding between the Republican or Democratic nominee, I ask myself ““Would the underprivileged in our world be better off under Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton”. Important to note- I don’t make a distinction between Americans and non-Americans, because I don’t think Christ loves Americans more, and my values are meant to reflect His. This election, I went down a list of issues:

    Abortion: It is hard to say whether there would be fewer abortions under either candidate, and there are competing reasons to think both Clinton and Trump could reduce them.

    Immigration: There are millions of undocumented immigrants in the US that would be forced to leave. Many of these people have lived their entire lives here and would be separated from their families. I also had every reason to believe that Donald Trump would decrease further immigration to the US from poor countries. He would most likely allow in fewer refugees as well, based on his rhetoric. Because I am commanded to love these people, I favored Clinton on this issue.

    Healthcare: Before the Affordable Care Act, tens of millions of low-income Americans didn’t have healthcare. Private charity did not provide it to them. Now, under the ACA, 20 million low-income people do (provided by the government). I see no reason to believe that when Donald Trump signs a repeal of the ACA private charity will do what it failed to do before the ACA. Because I am commanded to love these people, I do not want them to lose this coverage, so I favored Clinton on this as well.

    Homelessness: Democrats have typically favored more funding for housing for the homeless. Because I am commanded to love the homeless, I don’t want to see this funding decrease. I favored Clinton on this issue.

    Temporary Assistance to Needy Families: The government provides assistance to single mothers. I have not seen any evidence (as you suggest) that this assistance increases out of wedlock births. If you have evidence, I would love to see it. I do know that this assistance helps these families afford food, housing, and other basic needs. Clinton also supported paid family leave for low-income mothers, which would allow these mothers to remain employed after a birth and better support their children. Because I am commanded to love these mothers and their children, I support these policies and favored Clinton on this issue.

    There are other issues, such as general fiscal priorities that come into play, however these are some of the main ones that affected my decision to vote for Clinton. The main theme is this: I believed the poor would be better off under Hillary Clinton than Donald Trump. Because I am commanded to love the poor, I voted for the candidate that I believed would result in more support for these people.

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    1. Dear Corey,

      I suspect your responses will be different after studying Romans 13:1 and the linked references if you agree the references have properly exegeted scripture.

      The following question will require some meditation. “Have you been taught or thought about We the People actually being the sovereigns of this nation, not the politicians or bureaucrats?”
      It is not a Democrat Vs Republican issue. It is whether the citizen is sovereign or the President/Congress/Supreme Court are. The more socialist a nation the more totalitarian the regime becomes. The citizens become the subjects Vs sovereigns, contrary to how our nation began.

      BTW: Voter fraud is the total reason for voter ID requirements. The so called poor require proper ID for buying cigarettes and liquor, getting food stamps and welfare handouts, getting drivers licenses and many other needs but voter fraud is rampant especially by Democrats.

      “Do you know what the Declaration of Independence does Vs the Constitution?”
      The Declaration of Independence stated the exact purpose for government based on biblical principles. The Constitution structures that limited government based on biblical principles. John Adams stated clearly the Constitution was made for only a moral and religious people and no other. Further research reveals that Adams referred specifically to Christianity. Both documents conform to scripture though scripture doesn’t specify those forms. God does prefer these to ungodly forms such as socialism and positive law and all they entail. The Democrats have totally ignored the Constitution not that Republicans have been much better. It is the worldview battle between Karl Marx and Jesus Christ. Under Marx, civil government becomes god.

      You say: “The all loving, all powerful, just creator of the universe.” I agree but I notice the “all loving” requires much clarification.

      You said. “The bible is the word of God. Did I say something to suggest otherwise?” No, just checking

      A Christian worldview doesn’t accommodate many different ideas, only the exegetical interpretation of scripture. You’ll discover more when studying the weblinks I gave you. Sphere sovereignty with specified roles and responsibilities between spheres are either designed by God or Karl Marx. The social order between the two are not compatible.

      You say: Christ has commanded me to love others and has shown through his life on earth that I should care about the poor, marginalized, and disenfranchised in society. I should use the resources I have to try and help them. This includes with my money, time, and my vote.

      Christ does command us to care with His resources He loaned to us. Using your money and time is what Christ commanded, not the use of civil government by taking from others through coercion. That is called legal plunder and is unbiblical. It does fit Karl Marx’s version, however.

      Loving others also requires much more than you voting to legally plunder from your neighbor Peter to pay Paul, especially when Paul is a criminal or irresponsible. Socialism has always failed because the civil government finally drains Peter’s bank account and the number of Pauls grows. It also violates the Declaration of Independence and Constitution and God’s Laws.

      Obamacare is already a financial failure, social security has less than two decades of solvency left while Medicare will go bust in a decade. The national debt is 20 trillion dollars; doubled in only 7 years, due to growth of socialism and it realistically can’t be repaid. What then? Socialism slams into the brick wall of reality and those welfare programs disappear.

      Thanks for your openness. God Bless

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  18. Thanks for your reply Richard. I will look into the things you mention on the role of government according to the Bible.

    In the meantime, here are the answers to your questions:
    “You say you have little knowledge of our Constitution. Why is that?”
    I haven’t attempted to learn anything about the Constitution aside what I was taught in school. I don’t think the constitution is relevant to my faith. It is in no way endorsed by God, and is entirely fallible.

    “Have you been taught or thought about We the People actually being the sovereigns of this nation, not the politicians or bureaucrats?”
    I’m not entirely sure what you mean by this, but my best attempt at answering is: I don’t think that Democrats have prevented citizens from participating in democracy more than Republicans. For instance, Republicans have supported Citizens United which I believe gives undo power to the wealthiest individuals over the political process. In addition, Republican state legislatures have instituted many voting restrictions that reduce the ability of poor and minorities to participate in democracy. (I don’t deny that Democrats also have funding from special interests – ex: Unions, or that they might try similar disenfranchisement given the opportunity).

    “Do you know what the Declaration of Independence does Vs the Constitution?”
    The Declaration was written earlier to declare independence from England, Constitution was written many years later to replace articles of confederation as outlining our structure of governance, giving more power to the federal government. I’m not sure why that is relevant to our conversation on the intersection of public policy and our faith, though. God didn’t inspire either document. I agree that the Constitution provided a good structure for our democracy, but see no reason to think God prefer’s it to other systems.

    “If you were asked who is God what would your response be?”
    The all loving, all powerful, just creator of the universe.

    “Is the Bible the word of God or a book written by 39 fallible men?”
    The bible is the word of God. Did I say something to suggest otherwise? If I did I didn’t mean to.

    “Have you heard of Christian Worldview?”
    A view of world issues from a Christian perspective? Based on our conversation, many different ideas seem to fit under this category.

    Maybe it would be helpful for me to explain my logic in making political choices. Christ has commanded me to love others and has shown through his life on earth that I should care about the poor, marginalized, and disenfranchised in society. I should use the resources I have to try and help them. This includes with my money, time, and my vote.

    Therefore, when deciding between the Republican or Democratic nominee, I ask myself ““Would the underprivileged in our world be better off under Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton”. Important to note- I don’t make a distinction between Americans and non-Americans, because I don’t think Christ loves Americans more, and my values are meant to reflect His. This election, I went down a list of issues:

    Abortion: It is hard to say whether there would be fewer abortions under either candidate, as I noted above.

    Immigration: There are millions of undocumented immigrants in the US that would be forced to leave. Many of these people have lived their entire lives here and would be separated from their families. I also had every reason to believe that Donald Trump would decrease further immigration to the US from poor countries. He would most likely allow in fewer refugees as well, based on his rhetoric. Because I am commanded to love these people, I favored Clinton on this issue.

    Healthcare: Before the Affordable Care Act, tens of millions of low-income Americans didn’t have healthcare. Private charity did not provide it to them. Now, under the ACA, 20 million people do (provided by the government). I see no reason to believe that when Donald Trump signs a repeal of the ACA private charity will do what it failed to do before. Because I am commanded to love these people, I do not want them to lose this coverage, so I favored Clinton on this as well.

    Homelessness: Democrats have typically favored more funding for housing for the homeless. Because I am commanded to love the homeless, I don’t want to see this funding decrease. I favored Clinton on this issue.

    Temporary Assistance to Needy Families: The government provides assistance to single mothers. I have not seen any evidence (as you suggest) that this assistance increases out of wedlock births. If you have evidence, I would love to see it. I do know that this assistance helps these families afford food, housing, and other basic needs. Clinton also supported paid family leave for low-income mothers, which would allow these mothers to remain employed after birth and better support their children. Because I am commanded to love these mothers and their children, I support these policies and favored Clinton on this issue.

    There are other issues, such as general fiscal priorities that come into play, however these are some of the main ones that affected my decision.

    The main theme is that I believed on net the poor and marginalizes would be better off under a Clinton presidency, and so I used my vote as I would my money or time to try and provide them with food, shelter, healthcare, livelihoods and basic needs. I don’t pretend to be certain this is the “right” Christian way to make political decisions, and you clearly have a different method. You may be right. However, this is the method that seems to me to be most in line with Christ’s commands to me and the example He gave us with his life on earth. This is why I disagree with David Ruzicka’s assertion that Christians should not vote for Democrats.

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    1. Corey,

      Just curious what you have discovered about what the Bible says about the limited role of government and the more significant roles family and church should take Vs what we see in America?

      Pray for a Blessed New Year

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  19. I recently read these posts, plus the initial article. Mr. Johnson is correct on his assessment and the dishonesty of the original article is appalling. Under the “Consider” section of the article you make a lot of wild claims about the Dems. (One sacrament-Abortion, Since the 70’s Dem part has only appointed, .etc.) What a bunch of hooey!
    You make it appear that “since the 1970’s, the Democratic Party has only appointed justices…..” like abortion was a Democratic idea. As Johnson points out it was a Republican court that overwhelmingly settled Roe Vs Wade. Your hypocrisy really shines through there, especially with GOP presidents in office for over half of the years since 1973. Why haven’t those highly moral Republicans turned over the decision they created? Simple, historically the murdered unborn are far less of a concern to that party, than having the political issue is. We have abortion in place in the U.S. because of Republicans….plain and simple.
    Mr. Johnson did focus somewhat on the headline rather than the article’s statement within “The right question to ask is SHOULD a Christian be a Democrat?” Your points are so dishonest and deceptive in making your sad faux-Christian arguments I was embarrassed for you. Show me Christ’s words you can back them up.
    You don’t answer Johnson’s facts about the GOP Roe V Wade vote, but you deceptively cloak it in ‘since the 1970s”.
    Abortion has existed for most of creation. It will exist even if Roe is overturned. Like Mr. Johnson said, you’re time would have better time spent urging Christians to support young women in distress, becoming foster parents, adopting, supporting young women in financial need and prayer. He asked you if you supported these things with your time and checkbook, or if you’ve stayed on your high horse and simply continued to rail against abortion. While, I’m guessing supporting GOP candidates simply because of the R after their name. Jesus loves the proud, look at me “chest pounders”, didn’t he?. I didn’t find your reply to this point or the fact that abortion is legal because of the GOP.
    God expects more heartfelt discernment on what a sinner, save by grace, should espouse. Like, Johnson says, I truly hope someday you can come to a faith in Christ, rather than a faith clouded and centered on conservative rhetoric.
    Al S.

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    1. “Like, Johnson says, I truly hope someday you can come to a faith in Christ, rather than a faith clouded and centered on conservative rhetoric.” Is this truly a Christian based statement?????? Questioning the faith of another believer. Really???? Christ offers a lesson about logs in ones eyes.

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    2. Thanks for commenting! Of course, I disagree with just about everything you said 🙂

      I hesitate to answer these kinds of comments because it’s clear that logic and acceptance of fact is not your forte – I did not make even ONE factually incorrect statement regarding the Democratic Party and it’s lust for abortion. But I feel generous today so I will go ahead and answer you.

      1. “You make it appear that “since the 1970’s, the Democratic Party has only appointed justices…..”
      Nope. It doesn’t APPEAR that way. It IS that way. That’s just a denial of reality.

      The only justices to vote against Roe v Wade SINCE it was decided, have been appointed by Republicans. 100% of Dem appointed justices have been reliable, 100% of the time, supporters of abortion on demand as a constitutional right.

      It’s a statement of easily verified history. Same with presidential candidates. All Dems 100% pro-abortion. Anti-abortion candidates need not apply. You can’t run, you can’t speak at the Democratic Convention, you can’t even be a Dem spokesman.

      I guess you could take solace in the fact that 43 years ago some Republican-nominated justices voted to enshrine abortion as a privacy right. But that’s not the point.

      The point is simple: A Democrat President will only nominate judges who will be reliable pro-abortion judges 100% of the time.

      Republican Presidents and presidential candidates always 100% of the time since Reagan have pledged to nominate only justices who would honor the original intent of the Constitution, which would mean they would decide against Roe v Wade.

      Obviously, they sometimes fail – since justices aren’t supposed to come out and say, “I’m anti-abortion!” Justice Souter comes to mind.

      But Dems – 100% pro-abortion. Always.

      2. “He asked you if you supported these things with your time and checkbook, or if you’ve stayed on your high horse and simply continued to rail against abortion.”

      My apologies for saying so, but that is a truly, truly ignorant statement. There are FOUR times more life-affirming pregnancy help centers than abortion mills. They exist to help women through the pregnancy and beyond.

      Why?

      Because after Roe v Wade, the Christian community, in response to the call of Christ, went to work to make sure no woman had to abort because of a lack of funds or support. And YES- I have personally supported our local pregnancy help center with TIME and MONEY and I’ve raised thousands of dollars to ensure that no woman feels like she has to abort for financial reasons.

      So yes. I have. The Christian community – the Church – believers throughout the US, have banned together and done a tremendous job of making sure help is available. FOUR times as much help as the pro-abortion groups provide.

      And yes – log in eye.

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